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From: harry mobley
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Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 1:09 AM
Subject: Re: [WETHEPEOPLE_UNITED] Re: CALENDARS / Project Lucifer
 
There's also the Masonic A.L. Anno Lucis calendar which dates from 4004 AD..
 

 

Masonic Cornerstone AD 1892 / AL 4892
 
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Email from a Mason concerning Anno Lucis

 
During my ascension through the ranks of Freemasonry (I will be
exhalted in the Royal Arch in a few weeks), one of the things that I

am researching vigorously is the origins of the Mason Calendar of

Light, or "Anno Lucis" timetable. I came across an interesting book

in the Masonic library last month, refuting the claim (often made by

non-Masons or uninformed brethren) that the start of the AL dating,

4000 BC, is due to the Bishop Usher calculation of Genesis. Usher,

you might know, counted backwards using the alleged ages of people in

the Old Testament, and came up with the year 4004 BC for the date of

creation. Just because the Usher date is close to the AL start date-

4004 instead of 4000- many people just assume (due to Freemasonry's

connections to Christianity) that the Masonic calendar is based on

Usher.

 
However this old book, written in the 1700s, instead asserts that the

AL date is based on a calendar created by an Isis cult from ancient

Egypt. In the year 4000 the star Vela went supernova, and for months,

if you were located near in the lattitudes of Egypt, you would have

seen two suns. The Vela explosion effectively created a "year of

Light" by blazing away and preventing any night for most of the year

4000. The Isis preists apparently took this as a sign for a new era

being born and started their calendar accordingly.

 
This quote, from Bill Cooper's writings on the subject, refers to

this theory:

 
According to many, the great pyramids were built to commemorate and

observe a supernova explosion that occurred in the year 4000 B.C.Dr.

Anthony Hewish, 1974 Nobel Prize winner in physics, discovered a

rhythmic series of radio pulses which he proved were emissions from a

star that had exploded around 4000 B.C. The Freemasons begin their

calendar from A.L., "In the Year of Light," found by adding 4000 to

the modern year. Thus 1990 + 4000 = 5990 A.L. George Michanowsky

wrote in The Once and Future Star that "The ancient Sumerian

cuneiform...described a giant star exploding within a triangle formed

by...Zeta Puppis, Gamma Velorum, and Lambda Velorum...located in the

southern sky....[An] accurate star catalogue now stated that the

blazing star that had exploded within the triangle would again be

seen by man in 6000 years." According to the Freemason's calendar it

will occur in the year 2000, and indeed it will.

 
 
 Cooper seems to be generally "right on", however his

last bit, claiming that the star would appear again, obviously turned

out to not be true. I have looked (extensively) and not found

anything in any official Masonic writings on the subject referring to

this prophecy, or the Calendar supposedly being oriented to the year

2000 for this purpose, so maybe he made that up or got it from a

spurious conspiracy source. What seems beyond question is that the

Masonic calendar is in fact based on the Egyptian source, and not

Usher. You just can't explain away those missing four years, or the

fact that both Egyptians and Masons call 4000 BC the "year of Light",

the capper being that it actually WAS a "year of Light" if you were

in Egypt.

 
Another website offers more on the Vela stellar explosion, and also

contains stuff from Sitchin about how it impacted the Sumerian culture:

 
The Vela supernova most likely occurred 6,000 years ago (although

estimates range from 5,000 to 11,000 years). At a distance of 1,300

light years from earth the Vela X pulsar is three to four times

closer than the Crab Nebula. The supernova would have hung low on the

horizon over the Mediterranean, a brilliant star shining as bright as

the moon (-12.5 losing brightness at 4.5% per day). Due to defects in

the cornea of the eye, a person viewing the supernova would see

spikes a quarter to a third the diameter of the full moon (7.5 to 9

minutes of arc). It would appear as an endlessly dancing, varying

mass of fire, shooting spears of intense color every way like a

fountain. The landscape and the observer would be flooded with

pulsing illumination. Tossed flocks of shadow bands would animate the

landscape, moving eerily through forest and town.

- Sources include Science Digest, Mar '81

 
http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/vela/vela.html

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What Cooper was referring to that didn't happen in 2000 was Project Lucifer.
They had planned  a reenactment of 'The Year of Light', and wanted to make us a binary star system, but the
plans for NWO weren't advanced far enough at the time. 
 
It was cancelled for 1/1/2000 with the Galileo probe and Jupiter, and then attempted in September
2003, and then again with the Cassini probe and Saturn in June 2008
 
 
 
 
Fortunately is was bad science.
 
 
 
I picked this up from a Masonic site near the end of 1999 when there was the attempt to
create fear and panic with the Y2K bug

  harry        http://reality101blog.blogspot.com/  

-------Original Message-------
 
Date: 5/11/2009 9:54:12 PM
Subject: Re: [WETHEPEOPLE_UNITED] Re: Only science and rational evidence lead to life's truth
 
So first you thought that as (you wrongly thought) only female humans had a hymen, then (somehow) the female's hymen was irrefutable evidence of god. But you learned that the mole rat and other mammals also had a hymen.
 
Then you (ignorantly) thought that water on earth was (somehow) irrefutable evidence of god. But you learned that there were numerous scientific explanations for the presence of water on earth, as well as water in other places in the universe.
 
Now you think that, during an ignorant superstitious time, some PEOPLE artificially created their own calendars, dated from a theoretical date of a theoretical Jesus' birth, that is somehow irrefutable evidence of a god.
 
Again you are ignorant of the fact that scientists and academics now use CE and BCE, not BC AD.
 
 
And there are still many different religious calendars in use today:
 
"The Gregorian Calendar is increasingly used for commerce world-wide. It is based upon the earlier Julian Calendar which was designed by Pagan priests in Rome circa 50 BCE. Julius Caesar had asked them to design a calendar that was more accurate than the ones which were in use at the time. During the Christian era, the calendar was adjusted so that DEC-25 of the year 1 BCE was believed to be the birthday of Jesus Christ. Today, most authorities believe that Jesus was born sometime between 4 and 7 BCE, perhaps in the fall of the year.

Unfortunately, the Julian calendar was too long by about 11 minutes and 14 seconds each year, or one day every 128 years. By the late 16th century, this error had accumulated to an intolerable 10 days. Pope Gregory XIII commissioned a study to decide how to correct it and how to prevent it from drifting in the future. The solution was to make most of the century years into non-leap years; only those which were evenly divisible by 400 (e.g. 1600, 2000, 2400 etc.) were to be leap years. Roman Catholic countries corrected the calendar by making 1582-OCT-15 CE follow OCT-4. In England, they made an 11 day correction; the day following 1752-SEP-2 was SEP-14. Greece did not convert to the Gregorian calendar until 1923.

There remain many religiously based calendars which are different from the Gregorian calendar. Some are:

bullet Most Eastern Orthodox Churches continue to use the Julian calendar. It is currently 13 days later than the Gregorian calendar. The gap continues to grow. They currently celebrate Christmas on JAN-7 and New Year's Day on January 14. Romanian and Greek Orthodox do not follow this tradition.
bullet The Jewish calendar is based on their belief of the date that the universe was created: 3761 BCE. The abbreviation called "AM" for Anno Mundi is used. The Jewish calendar is moon-based. An additional month is added every third or fourth year. Thus, their year is of 354 to 385 days in duration.
bullet The Islamic calendar is based upon 622 CE, the year of the Hegira, when the Prophet Muhammad traveled from Mecca to Medina. The abbreviation "H" or "AH" is used after the date; it stands for "Hegira" or "Anno Hejira". It is a lunar calendar that repeats itself every 30 years. Year 2, 5, 7, 10, 13, 16, 18, 21, 24, 26 and 29 are leap years and have 355 days. Common (non leap years) have 354 days. That is 11 days shorter than the solar year. About three times a century, Muslims can celebrate two new years during one Gregorian year. Each lunar month begins with the visible sighting of the crescent of the new moon. A month, and thus a holy day, is often delayed a day from the time that astronomical calculations would predict them.
bullet The Hindu calendar is based upon the start of the Saka Era in 78 CE. The date is often followed by the letters SE. The original base date for the calendar was at a planetary alignment involving Jupiter in 3102 BCE. 
bullet The Sikh calendar is based on the start of the Khalsa Era three centuries ago. Their year begins on Apr-13 or 14. The date is often followed by the letters KE.
bullet The Baha'i calendar began when the Bab declared that a new Manifestation of God would shortly appear. The beginning of the Baha'i Era occurred in 1260 AH and 1844 CE. Their calendar has 19 months, each with 19 days, for a total of 361 days per year. The letters BE stand for "Baha'i Era."
bullet The traditional Zoroastrian calendar is composed of 12 months, each containing 30 days. The final month has 5 gatha days added. Initially, an additional month of 30 days was added once every 120 years. The base year for the calendar is the date of the coronation of the last Zoroastriaa Sasanian King, Yazdegird II in 631 CE. 1368 Y overlaps 1999 CE. The Iranian Zoroastrians stopped adding this additional month in 1009 CE; Their fellow believers in India stopped in 1129 CE. New Year has been gradually moving earlier (about 1 day every 4 years) from its original date in mid-March. It now occurs in the Fall. Mr. Khurshedji Cama proposed a revised calendar in 1906 CE. It follows the Gregorian leap-year system and has New Year permanently fixed on MAR-21. This calendar is used by Zoroastrians around the world, except India. 8
bullet The Creativity Movement (formerly called the World Church of the Creator (W.C.O.T.C.) is a racist, anti-communist, and homophobic religious group centered in Illinois. They base their calendar on 1973 CE --the date that the first edition of thieir book "Nature's Eternal Religion" was published. This is regarded as the year in which the group was founded. They have abandoned the Gregorian calendar. 1973 is considered the Incepto de Creativitat (Inception of Creativity), or I.C.  Years following are called "Anno de Creativitat." Thus, 1974 CE is called 1 A.C. The years before I.C. are called Prius Creativitat (Before Creativity). One of their main holidays is West Victory Day, held each DEC-29. It commemorates the "white" victory over the last organized native America resistance in 83 PC (1890 CE).
bullet The Mayan calendar expresses a date in a complex five number format. e.g. 6.19.18.1.5  means:
bullet 6 Baktun, an interval of 144,000 days (almost 400 years),
bullet 19 Katun (generations) of 7200 days (almost 20 years),
bullet 18 Tun (years) of 360 days,
bullet 1 Uinal (month) of 20 days,
bullet 5 Kin (days)
bullet for a total of 1,007,305 days. 

J.Eric Thompson determined that the first day of the Mayan calendar (0.0.0.0.0) was on 3114-AUG-11 BCE. 9 They believed that Venus was born on that day. Another source says AUG-13 of the same year. Mayans also had a "Great Cycle of the Long Count" of 13 Baktuns or 5,125.36 years. They anticipated the end of the world at the Winter Solstice, 2012-DEC-21 or 13.0.0.0.0 in their notation. 10 "

http://www.religioustolerance.org/rel_calendar.htm

     
 
 
From: Ap
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2009 3:13 AM
 
Some more nonsense,THE WHOLE DAMN WORLD FOLLOWS A DATING(CALENDER) SYSTEM BASED ON THE BIRTH AND DEATH OF CHRIST,which seems to be pretty convicing and is an indisputable fact that he changed the whole worlds methods of recording and dating time AND IT AFFECTS EACH AND EVERY MONKEY BOY AND J.A.P. ON THE PLANET AS WELL.

--- In WETHEPEOPLE_UNITED@yahoogroups.com, "Laura Schneider" <laura.schneider@...> wrote:

 Applespike (Steve) said: "Hey Jade if you want to hear some stuttering from an

 atheist,ASK EM WHERE ALL THIS DAMN WATER CAME FROM as the earth is over 3/4

 water pretty amazing from a dead rock of nothing ness. monkeys down to giving

 flu(distraction) reports

 Steve"

 

 

 

 Water on Earth was obtained from (a) gravity causing heavy metals to be concentrated at the center of the Earth's core and what water that was in the rocks was released into the atmosphere, (b) asteroids hitting the Earth that contained water, and (c)  since comets are mostly ice, comets hitting the Earth.

  

 Check out the following: 

 

 http://www.wisegeek.com/where-did-the-earths-water-come-from.htm

 

 http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Where_did_Earth's_water_come_from

 

 http://www.k26.com/witus/What_s_New/Solar_System/Planets/EARTH/water_on_earth.ht

 ml

 "The origin of water on Earth is by no means certain and numerous mechanisms have been advocated. They fall into three basic groups: condensation of the primary atmosphere, outgassing of the interior, and extraterrestrial fallout."

   

 And you must read all my comments again, because I did not maintain there was no God or no spirituality.  I maintain that there is no scientific evidence of such.  You quote passages of the Bible as if they were scientific evidence, and they are not.  The Bible is a literary work that consists of the Old Testament (Tanakh, or Hebrew Bible), which is divided into  three parts:  the Torah, (Genesis through Deuteronomy), the Nevi'im, or "Prophets" (Joshua through Malachi), and the Ketuvim, or "Writings" (Psalms through Chronicles) that has some value as documenting the history of the Jews.  The Apocrypha (deuterocanonical books) varies from religion to religion and are "optional" parts of the Old Testament.  The New Testament (Gospel, Acts of the Apostles, Epistles and Apocalypse) record the history of Jesus and the Apostles, but, unlike the history of the Jews, there is no corroborating evidence of the existence of Jesus on Earth.  And, of course the Apocalypse (Revelations) has yet to happen, so it is a prophecy.

   

 To quote the Bible as "evidence" of anything is to quote belief, not proven fact, for the most part.  The history of the Jews does have corroborating evidence of certain events, but the early history of man (Genesis, et al.) was an oral tradition for thousands of years before it was finally written down.  if you interpret Genesis, et al., as ALLEGORICAL, then the events described in a very unsophisticated way in the Bible do generally correspond to events documented by science or consistent with scientific theory.  If you interpret Genesis and other books in the Bible LITERALLY, then you are accepting a fairy tale told by ancient man (long before he had the understanding to explain what really happened and/or long before the appearance of man on Earth) as if it were fact, and it is not in literal form.

   

My main point in previous comments was that we cannot confuse religion with science.  Science should be taught in science class and religion in religion or philosophy class.  

 

 The fact that you are quoting passages of the Bible as if they were scientific evidence proves my point.

   

 And all the so-called "evidence" of spirituality you cited does not prove conclusively that a spiritual world exists.  It proves that there are force fields and mirages created by scientific phenomena that we cannot yet explain> thoroughly.  You are merely choosing to interpret these events as evidence of a spiritual world which we cannot see, hear, or feel, an alternate universe, so-to-speak, much like ancient man believed there were gods and goddesses whose activities on Earth represented earthly forces such as wind, fire and water, the

 phases of the moon, solar eclipses, etc.

  

 As I said in my comment, the fact that there is not yet conclusive scientific evidence of spirituality does not mean it doesn't exist, it just means there is not yet scientific evidence that it exists.>

  

 My main concern is that we are confusing belief with fact.