THE 'BEAR' RANT TO CASPER (Updated Oct. 28, 2008)
From: Rose Marie <omegaprosperity@gmail.com>
Subject: [SandyBeaches] RE: BEAR'S REBUTTAL TO CASPER .. AND BRAVO FOR BEAR!!!
To: SandyBeaches@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 2:37 PM
Forgive me again! But, I can NOT let these fanatical neo-con rants go unchallenged!
CASPER, HERE WE GO AGAIN!!! You do have a learning disability, don't you?? Just tell me, and I'll back off. THAT would make sense to me!!Honestly it would!!!
CASPER, some crazy skinheads TODAY were apprehended by the ATF for conspiring to assasinate Barack Obama!! Their fanaticism is fueled by stupid jackasses like you Casper! You desperately try to paint a picture of Obama that breeds hate and fear!! Yo CALL YOURSELF an AMERICAN?!!! You are nothing but a low-life fascist!! You are beyond stupid! And you know NOTHING about being an American! Absolutely NOTHING!
Get your head, what little you have, out of your ass, and listen up! My father and ALL of my aunts and uncles served in the United States Army and Army Air Corps during World War II. I interupted my college education and served during Vietnam. My father and I BOTH serviced this country in the public forum after our military services because
WE BELIEVED in the PEOPLE of AMERICA. My father was a democrat and, like every rebellious son, I was a republican (something for which I am ashamed!) . BUT we served THE PEOPLE, BOTH republican and democrat alike. white, black, yellow, brown, straight or gay. It was an honor to serve our nation and its people! Those things we did I am proud of.
YOU CASPER, are nothing! You have never seen combat or understand the horrors of war and hate!! WORDS have power!!. Words can CONVINCE a young man to do the unthinkable and kill another human being. You spew your juvenile nonsense with complete abandon and irrresponsibility! What makes it worse, beyond your obvious ignorance and stupidity, is that you continue to write this hatred and patent nonsense without ANY introspection whatsoever! And the SAD part is that people STILL forward your crap around the internet like you're something special!! You are the VERY fascist-type person I swore to defend this nation against! As you continue to spew your lies, my biggest regret is the lack of consequence that should have prevailed upon your wretched soul.
CASPER, YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT BEING AN AMERICAN!! ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! The America I grew up in had honest debates about issues and did NOT lie about character, or scare people with lies, or even CONSIDER another religion as inferior or threatening. THIS nation HAD a freedom of religion, whether that's buddhist, christian, or muslim!!! BUT, fanatical fundamentalist christians of America do NOT WANT THAT FREEDOM!!! ONLY CHRISTIANITY! !! And that IS un-American! ! There is room for ALL beliefs, or at least there used to be. BUT, CASPER, what YOU and your neocon fundamentalists want is the antithesis of an Iranian theocracy based on Islam!! You want a theocracy in America based on Christianity! !! So, HOW are YOU ANY DIFFERENT than a fundamentalist muslim committed to the hatred of christians?? ? You are the exact flip-sde of the same religious fanaticism that the US government claims we are fighting!! Frankly Casper, I do NOT think I have ever encountered a more stupid and ignorant person as you! You really grabbed the number one spot without much effort. But, it truly amazes me that there really ARE delusional religious fanatics in this country like you. And no matter how much I write you, you will still go out witch-hunting for "enemies" that aren't there. I know you are a very ignorant and juvenile person, and to enlighten you to your OWN country's heritage MAYBE a waste of time, but here goes anyway....
CASPER, do you KNOW WHY we have a freedom of religion??? Do you KNOW WHY there is NO official religion of the United States of America?? It was because of Thomas Jefferson!!! YES, THAT Thomas Jefferson!! And this will be a shock to your puny little brain, but he felt that Christianity was a HORRIBLE and DESPICABLE religion!! BUT, he also felt that religion was something people should choose privately. In spite of his distaste of Christianity, Thomas Jefferson insured via the Constitution that people had that choice. That is a kind of RESPECT you can NOT fathom Casper, because THAT is what AMERICA was all about... RESPECT FOR THE OTHER PERSON and THEIR BELIEFS!! But, Casper you CALL yourself an American, and you haven't got the faintest idea what the dream of America is all about!!
I go after you with a complete disrespect of your ideas and person because you possess no honor or respect that resembles American values. You just spew neocon crap out like some maggot-infested parrot in a smoke-filled bar.... completely mindless... and sick! I may not care about who wins this election, but I respect both Obama and McCain for stepping up to the plate and DOING SOMETHING!!! And you??? What have YOU done? Write some bullshit from behind a pseudonym (fake name, in case you need a dictionary), "Casper", too afraid to use your real name or email? GEEEZZ, what a slimy little candy-ass you are!!! It's just disgusting to think about where that rock is that you crawled out from under!
I told you before, you are entitled to your own opinion, BUT NOT YOUR OWN FACTS!!! That's where I draw the line. That's WHERE you lose your respect of person. Liars do not have to be respected because they lack honor. Casper, you are a despicable and dishonorable coward.... and you deserve NO respect whatsoever. The shame of it is that you actually THINK you can harbor some philosophical insights as if you are educated. All you've been writing is some drivel you've heard from people smarter than you, probably IQ's around room temperature! Then, you wrap these little one liners up like you ACTUALLY could have an original thought!!!
So, in closing, I'll answer your silly question.... people DO get the government they deserve! PERIOD!! Today, the ONLY thing that is
greater than American arrogance is American ignorance!! This America is NOT the American dream, it's a perversion of corruption!! This country, and it REPUBLICAN leadership that put party first, gave people the opium of the masses... easy credit! And the country went nuts! And yet, you think the democrats did this??? Well, after that, you just can't get any more stupid!
In the deepest political theories of freedom (now I'll probably lose you here Casper), the ONLY reason for the establishment of governmentis to do COLLECTIVELY what we can NOT do individually! ! Like the socialism (Casper likes that term) of building roads, highways, schools, airports.... and YES HEALTH CARE!! If we spent just 1% of the military budget on health care, this nation would be fantastic!! Health care is NOT a privilege of the rich!! It is as important as food, clothing and shelter! But, I guess Casper has that $2.2 million stashed away for his cancer treatments and hospitalization! Nice to be in that condition!
Casper, let me add this fact, while my kids were growing up, I spent over $2100 PER MONTH on healthcare. Thank God I could afford it. BUT, even MY insurance said, in the small print, after $350,000 in
expenses, they could shut off my coverage!!! That's wrong on ALL levels. In fact, I once figured it out, taxes and health in the US against taxes in Canada..... unfortunately, Canada REALLY was cheaper!! Life and health are NOT profit-making ventures, and they should be treated as such!!! But Casper, you just go ahead and believe that neocon crap they feed you! Someday it will come home to roost!!
Oh, and by the way Casper, I know WHY the US dollar has gained value, and I know WHEN it will reverse!! But, I'm not telling your dumbass! I'd never give you that kind of information. .. because it MIGHT make other people believe you ACTUALLY KNOW something! I'd rather not get in your way of proving your astronomical stupidity !!!
And I'll tell you this much Casper. My suspicion about you is that you're some stupid stooge the neocons are feeding during this election cycle. So, as long as you continue these absurdities in this election cycle, I will continue to point out your obvious lies and vigorously respond. Your fascism will NOT go unchallenged! Count on it!
Thank God the election is only a week away!
Bear
PS- Folks, I don't care WHO you vote for! But, democracies can only be effective IF your decisions are based in facts! That's all. Otherwise, we don't have democracy, we have Stalinism!!! And as Joe said, "I don't care who votes, I only care who COUNTS the votes."
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I don’t know how, nor do I know if I even want to know, how to get in touch with bear whoever he/she happens to be. I would, though, like to point out to this ignorant lost soul, that Thomas Jefferson was indeed a God fearing man of devout religion. He just didn’t go along with the accepted church of his day and age. If he/she would only peruse the Thomas Jefferson chronicles, he/she would find out that Thomas Jefferson “led the prayer session” in seeking the divine guidance of our God when they were writing the Declaration of Independence! Thomas Jefferson also had his own KJV, that’s King James Version for bear, bible that he translated into what is known as the Jefferson Bible! Below is an explanation for , him/her, to understand! DN
THEJefferson BibleThe Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth Extracted Textually from the GospelsCompiled by Thomas Jefferson
Edited by Eyler Robert Coates, Sr.
***Thomas Jefferson believed that the ethical system of Jesus was the finest the world has ever seen. In compiling what has come to be called "The Jefferson Bible," he sought to separate those ethical teachings from the religious dogma and other supernatural elements that are intermixed in the account provided by the four Gospels. He presented these teachings, along with the essential events of the life of Jesus, in one continuous narrative.
The Jefferson Bible offers the text as selected and arranged by Jefferson in two separate editions: one edition uses a revised King James Version of the biblical texts, corrected in accordance with the findings of modern scholarship; the second edition uses the original unrevised KJV. The actual verses of the Bible used for both editions are those chosen by Jefferson. The revised KJV text is much easier to read and understand. Those seeking the precise English version Mr. Jefferson used when making his compilation can see the "Unrevised KJV text."
The revised KJV;
CHAPTER 1.
NOW it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be enrolled. 2 (And this enrollment was the first which was made when Quirinius, was governor of Syria.) 3 And all went to be enrolled, every one into his own city. 4 And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and lineage of David, 5 To be enrolled with Mary his betrothed, being then with child. 6 And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered. 7 And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn. 8 And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS. 9 And when they had performed all things according to the law of the Lord, they returned into Galilee, to their own city Nazareth. 10 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.
And when he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem, unto the feast according to the custom. 12 And when they had fulfilled the days, as they returned, the child Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem; and his parents knew not of it. 13 But they, supposing him to have been in the company, went a day's journey; and they sought him among their kinsfolk and acquaintances. 14 And when they found him not, they turned back again to Jerusalem, seeking him. 15 And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the teachers, both hearing them, and asking them questions. 16 And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers. 17 And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing. 18 And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject unto them. 19 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature.
Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate being governor of Judaea, and Herod being tetrarch of Galilee, and his brother Philip tetrarch of Ituraea and of Trachonitis, and Lysanias the tetrarch of Abilene, 21 Annas and Caiaphas being the high priests, 22 Appeared John the Baptist in the wilderness. 23 Now the same John had his raiment of camel's hair, and a leathern girdle about his loins; and his meat was locusts and wild honey. 24 Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan, 25 And were baptized of him in Jordan.
Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him. 27 And Jesus himself, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age. 28 After this he went down to Capernaum, he, and his mother, and his brethren, and his disciples: and they continued there a few days.
And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 30 And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting: 31 And when he had made a scourge of cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' coins, and overthrew their tables; 32 And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise. 33 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
Now when Jesus had heard that John was cast into prison, he departed into Galilee; 35 For Herod himself had sent forth and laid hold upon John, and bound him in prison for Herodias' sake, his brother Philip's wife: for he had married her. 36 For John had said unto Herod, It is not lawful for thee to have thy brother's wife. 37 Therefore Herodias had a grudge against him, and would have killed him; but she could not: 38 For Herod feared John, knowing that he was a just man and holy, and protected him; and when he heard him, he was sore perplexed, yet he heard him gladly. 39 And when a convenient day was come, that Herod on his birthday made a supper to his lords, high captains, and chief men of Galilee; 40 And when the daughter of the said Herodias came in, and danced, she pleased Herod and them that sat with him; and the king said unto the damsel, Ask of me whatsoever thou wilt, and I will give it thee. 41 And he sware unto her, Whatsoever thou shalt ask of me, I will give it thee, unto the half of my kingdom. 42 And she went forth, and said unto her mother, What shall I ask? And she said, The head of John the Baptist. 43 And she came in immediately with haste unto the king, and asked, saying, I will that thou give me straightway in a charger the head of John the Baptist. 44 And the king was exceeding sorry; yet for his oath's sake, and for their sakes which sat with him, he would not refuse her. 45 And immediately the king sent an executioner, and commanded his head to be brought: and he went and beheaded him in the prison, 46 And brought his head in a charger, and gave it to the damsel: and the damsel gave it to her mother.
And they went into Capernaum; and straightway on the sabbath day he entered into the synagogue, and taught. 48 And they were astonished at his teaching: for he taught them as one that had authority, and not as the scribes.
At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn fields; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat. 50 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day. 51 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him; 52 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests? 53 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are guiltless?
And when he was departed thence, he went into their synagogue: 55 And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him. 56 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out? 57 How much then is a man of more value than a sheep! Wherefore it is lawful to do good on the sabbath days. 58 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath.
But the Pharisees went out, and held a council against him, how they might destroy him. 60 But when Jesus knew it, he withdrew himself from thence: and great multitudes followed him.
And it came to pass in those days, that he went out into a mountain to pray, and continued all night in prayer to God. 62 And when it was day, he called unto him his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles; 63 Simon, (whom he also named Peter,) and Andrew his brother, James and John, Philip and Bartholomew, 64 Matthew and Thomas, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon called the Zealot, 65 And Judas the son of James, and Judas Iscariot, who became a traitor. 66 And he came down with them, and stood in the plain; and there was a great company of his disciples, and a great multitude of people out of all Judaea and Jerusalem, and from the sea coast of Tyre and Sidon, which came to hear him.
Unrevised KJV text; which is what Thomas Jefferson preferred!
CHAPTER 1.
AND it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed. 2 (And this taxing was first made when Cyrenius was governor of Syria.) 3 And all went to be taxed, every one into his own city. 4 And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David:) 5 To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child. 6 And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered. 7 And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn. 8 And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS. 9 And when they had performed all things according to the law of the Lord, they returned into Galilee, to their own city Nazareth. 10 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.
And when he was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem, after the custom of the feast. 12 And when they had fulfilled the days, as they returned, the child Jesus tarried behind in Jerusalem; and Joseph and his mother knew not of it. 13 But they, supposing him to have been in the company, went a day's journey; and they sought him among their kinsfolk and acquaintances. 14 And when they found him not, they turned back again to Jerusalem, seeking him. 15 And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions. 16 And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers. 17 And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing. 18 And he went down with them, and came to Nazareth, and was subject unto them. 19 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature.
Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate being governor of Judaea, and Herod being tetrarch of Galilee, and his brother Philip tetrarch of Ituraea and of the region of Trachonitis, and Lysanias the tetrarch of Abilene, 21 Annas and Caiaphas being the high priests, 22 John did baptize in the wilderness. 23 And the same John had his raiment of camel's hair, and a leathern girdle about his loins; and his meat was locusts and wild honey. 24 Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan, 25 And were baptized of him in Jordan.
Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him. 27 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age. 28 After this he went down to Capernaum, he, and his mother, and his brethren, and his disciples: and they continued there not many days.
And the Jews' passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 30 And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting: 31 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables; 32 And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise. 33 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
Now when Jesus had heard that John was cast into prison, he departed into Galilee; 35 For Herod himself had sent forth and laid hold upon John, and bound him in prison for Herodias' sake, his brother Philip's wife: for he had married her. 36 For John had said unto Herod, It is not lawful for thee to have thy brother's wife. 37 Therefore Herodias had a quarrel against him, and would have killed him; but she could not: 38 For Herod feared John, knowing that he was a just man and an holy, and observed him; and when he heard him, he did many things, and heard him gladly. 39 And when a convenient day was come, that Herod on his birthday made a supper to his lords, high captains, and chief estates of Galilee; 40 And when the daughter of the said Herodias came in, and danced, and pleased Herod and them that sat with him, the king said unto the damsel, Ask of me whatsoever thou wilt, and I will give it thee. 41 And he sware unto her, Whatsoever thou shalt ask of me, I will give it thee, unto the half of my kingdom. 42 And she went forth, and said unto her mother, What shall I ask? And she said, The head of John the Baptist. 43 And she came in immediately with haste unto the king, and asked, saying, I will that thou give me by and by in a charger the head of John the Baptist. 44 And the king was exceeding sorry; yet for his oath's sake, and for their sakes which sat with him, he would not reject her. 45 And immediately the king sent an executioner, and commanded his head to be brought: and he went and beheaded him in the prison, 46 And brought his head in a charger, and gave it to the damsel: and the damsel gave it to her mother.
And they went into Capernaum; and straightway on the sabbath day he entered into the synagogue, and taught. 48 And they were astonished at his doctrine: for he taught them as one that had authority, and not as the scribes.
At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat. 50 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day. 51 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him; 52 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests? 53 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
And when he was departed thence, he went into their synagogue: 55 And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him. 56 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out? 57 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days. 58 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath.
Then the Pharisees went out, and held a council against him, how they might destroy him. 60 But when Jesus knew it, he withdrew himself from thence: and great multitudes followed him.
And it came to pass in those days, that he went out into a mountain to pray, and continued all night in prayer to God. 62 And when it was day, he called unto him his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles; 63 Simon, (whom he also named Peter,) and Andrew his brother, James and John, Philip and Bartholomew, 64 Matthew and Thomas, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon called Zealotes, 65 And Judas the brother of James, and Judas Iscariot, which also was the traitor. 66 And he came down with them, and stood in the plain, and the company of his disciples, and a great multitude of people out of all Judaea and Jerusalem, and from the sea coast of Tyre and Sidon, which came to hear him.
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Message:
I'm not sure if this is the correct forum to respond to a posting on your site or not so, if it's not correct, please advise me accordingly.
Regarding the email thread titled "THE 'BEAR' RANT TO CASPER", I have a short response to Bear.
Bear, you referenced our forefathers and the premise upon which this (once) great country was founded, then at the end of your message you refer to "But, democracies can only be effective IF your decisions are based in facts!" Our founding fathers abhorred democracy as it has always been a tool of fascist and other oppressive governments.
If you\'re going to rant about this great country at least take some time learning about our founding governance. The united States (note the lower case 'u') is a REPUBLIC, not a democracy. The pyramid of power in the U.S. is inverted with the broad end representing the people at the top and the small end representing the federal (central) government at the bottom.
Your rant and demonstrated ignorance of our form of governance discount your message as that of an uneducated "hot head".
My advice to you, read the Federalist papers, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights so that you understand what form of governance we let slip through our grasp through apathy and indifference.
May you blessed with eyes that see and ears that hear.