'HELLO, CENTRAL!' FRUSTRATION OVER VIOLINIO GERMAIN'S MESSAGE! (Updated 5/5/11)
From: R
To: bellringer@fourwinds10.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 12:32 PM
Subject: Question - RESPONSE TO VIOLINIO GERMAIN'S MESSAGE
Hi
First of all, i hope you are both fine and well.
I always enjoy reading your messages.
But that message keeps on ringing in my head, so i have some questions.
The emailer RWM stated that the message was from an imposter,yet i don’t see any replies from Germain that it indeed was an imposter.
So my second question is, if God said that mankind will not go under and will be saved, will not interfering and leaving it up to us, do just that? If what he states that the workers on earth are not doing their job at thir full potential?
So if we don’t succeed, they pack up and leave and that’s that?
I’m finding it hard to believe after so many years of hoping for the better times.
Love and light forever.
R
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From: KG
To: <bellringer@fourwinds10.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 3:25 PM
Subject: Siterun Contact Request from Fourwinds10
Message:
The letter or channelling, allegedly from St. Germain, is distressing. Firstly, it implies that the alleged Light Forces either have LESS strength and power than the dark forces, and if that is not true, than it implies that they must be "begged" to do what is right - that is, to protect life. I say "begged" because I know many, many who have given much, much time to prayer in this matter, so much so, that it has become something more like begging. We are told that many alien and other dimensional beings are "watching" us. Do they do this for entertainment- "please pass the popcorn"? Because that makes them no better than Peeping Toms. "We" are supposed to remove corexit from the ocean when we do not have the technology or the money to do this and "they" have control over the police and military? The Rockefellers (a subsidiary of their Exxon Company makes Corexit) will go to their bunkers and survive all this and the earth will be left to them and their ilk - and St. German et als. will wipe the butter off their chins and go home and say, "Too bad, the bad guys won- we\'ll be back in a few thousand years for the sequel." -KG
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From: OT
To: bellringer@fourwinds10.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 6:48 PM
Subject: I would like to get in my 2 cents on Germaine
Over past years I have read and studied almost all of the books attributed to St Germaine. To this very day I have no idea whether he exists or not or ever did. I do notice however, when he purports to speak we can always brace ourselves for a load of pablum. Yes, I like millions of others have ask many times for these so called beings of light for help in bringing down this corruption and outrage of the criminally insane that is in control of this dirty little planet So his argument will not fly with me. If those criminals in charge cannot fool me, then why on earth does this individual think he can. Germaine, or whoever you really are, all I
can say is that you indeed are full of it.
OT
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From: OT
To: bellringer@fourwinds10.com
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: I would like to get in my 2 cents on Germaine
You are full of it and just too damn brain washed to allow some straight hard hitting points across.
NO I have not cursed anyone yet, and this being ever who he is does not intimatidate me one bit. Neither do you. He she it could well be a product of Washington DC. Handing out a load of BS. but never cutting the mustard. You had best be concerned about your own spiritual unfoldment as for myself I know where
I have been and do not PROGRAM WORTH A DAMN.
YES. I WILL CONTINUE TO CALL AN ACE AN ACE AND A SPADE A SPADE NO MATTER HOW MUCH IT UPSETS THOSE OF YOU WHO HAVE BEEN SO COMPLETELY BRAINWASHED, PROGRAMMED AND CLONED INTO THIS 1984 NEW SPEAK INSANITY. Wake up and at least suspicion that you may
being HAD !
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From: R
To: Bellringer
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: Question - RESPONSE TO VIOLINIO GERMAIN'S MESSAGE
Hi
Thanks for taking the time to answer.I understand now. There’s just so many things going on, and that message confused me a little bit.
Pfff, I can sleep again.
Love and light forever
R
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From: SK
To: Bellringer
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 1:35 PM
Subject: Special K
Hi Mr.Bellringer,,
I hope you Anne are doing fine..I just wanted you to know this,,
Sometimes I read your words,,and have for years, they move me to the bottom of my soul,,Even if the words are stronger to help us..I actually feel something physically,,and many times I feel a glow after reading your words,,But once in awhile even when the words are positive in every way,,I don't feel anything,,hmm
I love you guys and think of you very oftenThank you for all your hard work and love
Kathy
PS..
As evil men were willing to forge Gods words and wrote the Bible..
I prayed and BEGGED to God for years to help me,,and even though I was ignorant and didn't pray in a manner of asking God to shine the light,,God still helped me..I had a day a few months ago,,a very hard day and I was wanting to give up,,I said,,"I'm giving up"
I didn't even pray and Esu Jesus Sananda worked threw my husband and he spoke some words that immediately picked me off the floor,,This has happened often and I didn't even have to pray..
I pray all the time and many times wrong,but God still helps me,,shines a light to show me the way,,or gives comfort..I know the God power is in me,,and we all help create with God,,but sometimes I don't know what to ask for,either for myself or others and I just pray,,or I don't know what I need,so I just ask God to help me or others, and he does..In fact it was the combined power of many praying that helped me find your website in around October 2008 I believe...
I don't think they knew who they were praying for or for what,,but it lead me to your website and gave me strength to continue becoming enlightened..
I very specifically remember this,,At this point my thinking was,,"I'll just wait for this to end,I'm done with trying to get help"..
I didn't even ask for help,,I just remember wishing/hoping I had the strength to continue,,,
Then God blasted all those people's prayers of love,strength,encouragement at me,and I had strength to continue..
As far as Germains comments,,I'm just praying that the men in the military who are working in the direction of light for the planet,mankind and everything living fall upon the Phoenix Journals..
Something tells me if there working in this direction they are already aware and maybe they just need what was blasted at me,,
The power of prayer by many for courage,strength,etc,etc,,
I KNOW they will do the right thing because of duty and there love life..
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From:DF
To: bellringer@fourwinds10.com
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 1:04 PM
Subject: 'HELLO, CENTRAL!' FRUSTRATION OVER VIOLINIO GERMAIN'S MESSAGE!
Dear Patrick and Anne,
Blessings to you – you are certainly “earning your wings”. What great blessings and eye-openers are being presented to those who have eyes to see and ears to hear. With each and every “protest” there seems to be those who just cannot seem to get past the “disappointment-fear-anger” that we have been lied to [by humans] about “SALVATION”. What part of “NO-Body” (not God, Jesus/Sananda, Germain, Hatonn/Aton, GF, your mom, dad, brother, sister, or any other names one might want to add to this list) is going to do it for you” is there not to understand? What part of that knowledge is unclear or confusing? The comments written in “disagreement or disbelief” of St Germain’s message can be simply describes as DENIAL of TRUTH. What part of “each of you must be responsible and clean up your own messes…however you each can receive all the HELP needed to accomplish cleaning these messes [read tools, support, Love, etc]. “Ask and you shall receive”.What I have encountered through my own personal journey is all the praying, pleading, meditation etc for help to do the things I was not willing to do for myself did not receive the answers I wanted. Example: my marriage needed to end. No matter how much I asked-prayed for that marriage to end – the situation just got worse – even life threatening. In my prayers, I provided “God” all the instructions and scenarios of how he could fix it… all requiring the least of my involvement. Amazingly NONE of these options received the help and support I anticipated and desired. I even bargained with God – If YOU will do this… I will do that! Funny how the line in the traditional marriage vows is also a lie… “what God has joined together, let no man put asunder”. It should more accurately state, What man joins together, God will NOT put asunder. My life did not change or improve until I “asked” what/how/when/where, etc., to do and ACTED upon the most appropriate “ideas” that came to me. In following this guidance I received full protection (my request was “don’t let him kill me”)therefore, was I able to get out of that marriage alive and well. Blessing Our Paths of Ascension
DFP.S. just had a thought… replace the word “Ascension” for the word “NESARA”. The message is the same!!!!
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From: L D R
To: <bellringer@fourwinds10.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 3:10 PM
Subject: Siterun Contact Request from Fourwinds10
Message:
Patrick & Anne,Thank you, for your labor of Love. Whether Germaino's message was real or sinister, I believe the answer is in your "daily Prayer", at the top of your site every day. Perhaps you could get it to "flash" somehow, draw attention to it, so everytime we go to the site, we say it, or direct us to say it every day at the same time;perhaps that will be just enough to put it over the top.
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From: AM
To: Bellringer
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 6:14 PM
Subject: RESPONSE To Violinio Germain Hello Central 04.28.11
April 28, 2011
Dear Patrick,
In your mission with Anne as Education Ambassador and Truthbringer, you have always said, as have Violinio Germain, Esu Immanuel Sananda, and Hatonn, “Discern even what I say”!
I cannot speak for others nor can I take action for others. I can only take action for myself in ways I am guided to from within by my own God Spirit and in harmony with my wife, my spiritual partner. In today's input taking place with the Hello Central about Violinio Germain's message to Anne, it seems “pray pray pray” has been put in the cross-hairs with “take action”, and the line drawn in the sand between them needs some clarifying, at least for two ground crew members who are still pondering Violinio's message and the present dialogue.
Among the guidance you have given over time from the beginning days of Fourwinds10, you have emphasized , among other things in my mind, the following:
--Learn, apply, and follow the 18 Laws Of God And The Creation to gain the wisdom and knowledge needed for right living, right action, and right discernment. [Phx J #27]
--Study the adversary, the Anti-christ, in order to learn right defense and right offense for protection against the enemy of the God who created this planet and in order to understand this enemy fully.
--Read, learn, study everything you can from the Phoenix Journals, Wisdom of the Rays, and the varied newspapers posted at your site.--Go within to your own God Spirit for guidance, for answers on all matters, especially matters of discernment.
--Use your God given powers, imagination, intuition, and co-creative abilities to manifest Goodness for self, others, and Mother Earth as a way to help bring a change to Goodness here, now.--No one that is here can change this world to any great degree on their own. We are here to learn our own lessons in soul growth first, to save ourselves from this world but not to save this world, at least not as a martyr.
--“Ask and you will receive” as taught in the true sense by Esu Immanuel Sananda and--“In the giving is the receiving, the return of the giving,” as taught by Violinio Germain.
> We are here in the primary mission as ground crew to aid Mother Earth and the Forces of Light on Mother Earth's journey to 5D.
For the most part, the message from Violinio on 04.23.11 was in answer to questions from you and Anne specifically about the NESARA mission which you chose to post for public discernment. Some of the confusion stirring in the sea of emotions, including myself at first, came with the interpretations that “Lightworkers have not accomplished enough”, which I believe does need some further clarity. Why? Because it happened.
Even so, the message was of specific focus, and Violinio stated as fact from his view that: the “WE” group is not properly or sufficiently calling upon help from the Hosts of Aton, or not enough are calling at all.
The “military” in America who could turn things around are not properly or sufficiently calling upon help from the Hosts of Aton, or not calling at all.[The above 2 are references to spiritual sloth, ego, pride, & fear]
Mother Earth is at critical tilt and will not, cannot wait longer for the NESARA mission to be completed.
One question, thus far, is, if 75 percent of the population are clones to begin with, how then is a powerful enough spiritual connection to be accomplished, given that I do not know the size of the groups referred to in the first place that are being counted on for this part? And I have gone within in the asking of this question and the jury is still out at the moment. The answer will arrive!
I believe the muddy waters in the sea of emotions may come from these next statements from Violinio:
“Their numbers are great, compared to the numbers of ones of the Light.”
“Yes, I have heard your prayers and the prayers of the faithful, and I am doing all that I can, given the situation.”
Many of us, like Violinio, are doing all that we can. Their numbers are great, but still, a bitter pill, to know not much has changed, compared to the numbers of the ones of Light. Again, this is as related to the NESARA mission alone, is it not? When did the NESARA mission become sponsored by The Hosts? Why is the NESARA mission not mentioned in the Phoenix Journals? Is the NESARA mission primarily sponsored by Violinio Germain? Another bitter pill right now in this dialogue is finding out that prayer, prayer, prayer does not cut it. How can that be when taught all along that proper sincere prayer from the heart can and will bring about positive change, and at times, miracles? Where does this sincere giving of positive energy go then, especially when united with the 10, 100, or 1000 others who have sincerely asked, in doing all that they can, in focus on the success of a mission such as Nesara? I am not sure who you are referring to on the prayer, prayer item? Those on-board? Those not on-board? Asleep? Awakened ones? Ego bound cement heads?
In Love and Light,
AM
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From: SD
To: bellringer@fourwinds10.com
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 12:58 PM
Subject: Separating the Wheat from the Chaff Re: Germain's recent warning.
Greetings Patrick and Anne,
Blessings to you both for sustaining and responding to all of the various responses to Germain’s volatile message recently. It seems to me that the intent of the message was primarily to separate the wheat from the chaff and it certainly appears that the chaff is very uncomfortable with the content of the message. I have pondered the message and your replies for several days and I would like to offer my humble opinion from one that considers himself to be already separated from the chaff. I am continually reminded (haunted) by PJ#27’s law wherein it states that “YOU CAN NO LONGER ACT IN IGNORANCE’ and those that do will be judged accordingly. I believe that our mission at this crucial time is to consciously take our thought’s (thinking) beyond that which currently exists on this planet. We are on the leading edge of consciousness and for those (of us) that realize this we are given a glorious opportunity through Germain’s message to exercise our God given authority to IMAGINE what a better existence would look like. After all the whining, negative comments and personal attacks on Germain it seems that the “LAW OF CREATION” is little understood by those that claim to be enlightened. I do believe that the negativity contained in so many of the crying’s simply reinforces that which we do not want, better to look to a time when this cycle has run its course and we become the “Germain’s” of the future and assist those that will listen and hear.
Thank you for being there in these troubled and confusing times.
Regards
SD
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From: AM
To: Bellringer
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 11:22 PM
Subject: TO: SD Hello Central/Frustration/Violinio's Message
April 30, 2011
Dear SD & To Whom It May Concern,
Thank you for your comments and adding to the dialog concerning Violinio Germain's recent message of the NESARA mission. I agree with you about Imagination [Imaging] and the God given creative power it can carry. I believe that sincere prayer, positive thought, using inner guidance, conversing with your guides, or participating in automatic spiritual writings, as examples, involve the creative abilities of the imagination [imaging].Each one of us is entitled to speak our mind and develop a view that works personally. Each one is entitled to express emotions at Fourwinds10 if not of foul intent. A couple things you mentioned about ignorance and Laws are not resting real well with me, not yet. It could quite well be that Violinio's message was intended to separate wheat from chaff, but I imagine his message runs deeper into the NESARA mission. Most everything in the testing down here, in this Grand Closing of the Veil, separates lots of grain from chaff. The NESARA missioniiitself is the greatest “sorting tool” this planet has seen and major investments of positive energy put into this mission by good people will need healing/releasing/ proper closure if this mission does not make completion. It is up to certain ones by contract to not give up hope and stay a conduit of Light until lift off. That is our way of Imagining a better place here, now, and we Imagine even a better place, at the same time, when we are re-united with our families aboard the Starships.
Imagine what 65 millioniii years in 3D time is really like. That is how long Evil, Lucifer/Satan, and Satan's slaves and clone iv armies have carried on with their addictions to power, lust, greed, drugs, war, and terrorism here on Earth Shan, seeing how many people of the Light they can pull the plug on, each time, every time they decide to do so. Imagine that these Galactic Terroristsblew up by nuclear devices all life and 2 entire planets before being confined to Earth Shan. How many souls were shattered I do not know. This was done basically as a temper tantrum for not getting what was wanted to feed their addictions. Now Imagine arriving in a great, vast distance in 3rd dimension time to A.D. Fall, 1987, the point of the Great Harmonic Convergence that signals the End Time of this civilization has arrived. You woke up one day and found out you are a Lightworker, a ground crew member, and you are here, one last time , to contribute your God given Light Power in helping to turn the tides for Goodness and help Mother Earth in her journey of birthing to the 5th dimension. We were given 25 years to bring about balance and harmony to Earth Shan. That time was up in 2006 due to the speeding up of time.
For some us, every moment that remains until lift-off is important and serious. In that Light, we still fill our Imaginations [Heart/Mind Images] with the Hope, Faith, and Inner Strength, as best as we can, that War will be no more, Famine will be no more, Pestilence will be no more, the NESARA Mission will complete successfully, as will evacuation, and as will Mother Earth's transition and cleansing. We do this all at the same time, to Imagine the best possible outcomes.Of course, as spiritual human beings, righteous anger will flare up from time to time, but, SD, I do not see where some flare ups of righteous anger by some gives reason to hint that all responders to this dialogue are “ignorant” or do not know the Laws of the Creation. Ignorance, alone, is forgivable. If you are in a better place , my friend, experiencing inner peace, then my heart is glad for you. Perhaps your contract with Creator has been completed. I am in peace knowing that Mother Earth will call the last shots in the Great Cleansing where Evil will be no more upon her or in this Galaxy. The Terrorists will be no more! I am in peace knowing of all the Divine Interventionsv from Creator God Aton's Forces of Light that take place 24/7 these days to save Life upon Earth Shan, but I am sad, sometimes, that the interventions are not more widely recognized among His own, and that the success of NESARA is in jeopardy at the moment.
In Love and Light,
AM
[1] PRAYER FOR COMPLETION / August 22, 2008 http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/spiritual/prayer/news.php?q=1219512633
[2] REFLECTIONS ON NESARA / http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/nesara/news/news.php? q=28f30cb64f91eeaa597a3c9ef01748d5
[3] ST. GERMAIN'S REPLY TO OPEN LETTER OF August 17, 2003 To PHB/AB
http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/bellringers_corner/anne_bellringer/news.php? q=b4db87a6032181dfc440a2e569eebf13
[4] Hello, Central!' Can a Clone Be Given a Soul? (Updated Dec. 6, 2008) PHB
http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/bellringers_corner/hello_central/news.php?q=1227847225
[5] Message from Creator God Aton/Hatonn (Repost) AB
http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/bellringers_corner/anne_bellringer/news.php?q=1196144743
[one example of a long list of guidance & interventions]
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#11 (Reply)
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From: K
To: Bellringer
Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 12:27 PM
Subject:: K - Hello Central Germain
Hi Mr,Bellringer and Anne,,
. It is up to certain ones by contract to not give up hope and stay a conduit of Light until lift off. That is our way of Imagining a better place here, now, and we Imagine even a better place, at the same time, when we are re-united with our families aboard the Starships.These ones you speak of,,some of them are granted more knowing/remembering of there past,,They have to tread softly to allow the 3D souls...
Have you not heard Mr.Bellringer say" BINGO,,Finally somebody has hit the nail on the head",,Sometimes this comes threw in several people falling upon the parts..Do we want all the answers to the test?The separating comment of the Wheat from the Chaff,,I don't think was meant to separate evil from souls of light,,But as we all need soul growth no matter where we are at,,Maybe this made us all think,,"Why do I want NESARA to be completed"...
Did my faith get shaken,,did I give up,,etc,etc,,?
Did we all grow from Germains comments? I certainly did..
May Peace Fall Upon the LandsK
PS.I'm just trying to figure out if Mr.Bellringers and Anne's wings were hidden or have been earned with ALL they have given to us...
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LINK TO "MESSAGE FROM GERMAIN" of aPRIL 22, 2011 http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_data/bellringers_corner/anne_bellringer/news.php?q=1303575490